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Poet01

I'm glad someone has gently put HKU straight on this new poetry prize. The shocking thing is not just how little the prize is for, but how much it costs to enter. To enter you have to send in a book of poems and pay $250. But the prize is just $2,500. A global poetry prize normally gets several thousand entries. You do the math. Prizes are menat to be be gifts to the community. This looks like it is set up to be a profit-making machine.
Please do not share my ip address with anyone as I may still enter!

Nury

Don't worry, Poet01, your anonimity is safe. We delete IP addresses.
But I share your puzzlement. The entry fee and the prize simply don't sit happily together. One's too high and one's too low.
One does get one's work published, so I suppose that's also part of the prize.

Poet01

I'm surprised at you for getting the basic principles of publishing mixed up. How long have you been a writer?
Writers write books and publishers pay them. If the book is good, the publisher makes money, too.
That's how it works.
If I write the finest book of poetry since The Birthday Letters (a bestseller), then I am giving a wonderful gift to the publisher who publisher who gets to print it.
The publisher is not giving me anything.
Thhink about it.

worried mom

sorry to move the discussion away from high literary matters to mundane ones, but i want to know, is the article about the apple puffs above true? if so, should not the parknshop immediately do a recall of the product that sets your kitchen aflame? i seem to remember one of those intellectual management games where the scenario is "you have just printed a recipe in your newspaper which you realize will set people's kitchens ablaze. What do you do?"
But this is real life. assuming the article is true.

Nury

Poet01, you're right. In principle, the poet is giving the author something, not the other way round.

Mike, I laughed out loud at your story about throwing about the burger and keeping the wrapper. I do that all the time.

On the plus side, it is much better for your health.

Chamin

HKU is good at creating businesses in economically hard times :-p.

tammy

Happy to know poetry gets some more attention in HK.

Poetess

Nuri, you've set up prizes before, can you kindly set up a proper poetry prize? I'm sure you can do one with a decent prize. (Man Asian Poetry Prize?) The entry fee for the bridport prize, if I am not mistaken, is 6 pounds sterling, and the prize is 5000 euros. That's what, 40,000 HKD? These are not big figures for businesses. Can you find a sponsor and do this. I'm also very disappointed withthe HKU prize. thanx

Poetess

Nuri, you've set up prizes before, can you kindly set up a proper poetry prize? I'm sure you can do one with a decent prize. (Man Asian Poetry Prize?) The entry fee for the bridport prize, if I am not mistaken, is 6 pounds sterling, and the prize is 5000 euros. That's what, 40,000 HKD? These are not big figures for businesses. Can you find a sponsor and do this. I'm also very disappointed withthe HKU prize. thanx

yuu

This reminds me of the time I bought frozen fish sticks in Austria. I naturally followed the instructions as accurately as possible, but all I got was a plate of soggy fish sticks that were anything but edible.

I could've done a bit of sueing action back then, but I was starving so I went to buy a chocolate croissant instead.

Jason

Nury, this reminds me of a colleague of mine some years ago... the instructions on the pack.. "put frozen quiche in microwave on high for 5 minutes"... he put a defrosted 1/8th of a quiche in the microwave on high for 5 minutes....

He had the same results as yourself... quiche had burst into flames, burnt fiercely enough to have put it self out by the end of 5 minutes. Office kitchen was *rank* (burnt egg), and the whole office was full of black smoke. Needless to say, the fire alarm had also gone off, fortunately though, an old building, and so not enough heat to set off the sprinklers.

Nury

Worried mom, yes, it's true. Jason, do you think I should contact the supermarket, get them to recall the product? It would seem a shame if thousands of people died from their homes burning down from this sort of thing.

Or even worse, if thousands of people were put off porridge by it.

Poet3

I agree with Poet01. Publishing a writer's book is not a prize in itself. If the book is a success, it is a deal which will enrich the publisher and the writer, but usually mainly the publisher (since the writer gets 10-12% only). For example, if TS Eliot or his modern equivalent won this award, would the publisher say to him, "Mr Eliot, lucky you, I get the publishing rights to your book." No, the publisher is the one getting the prize. From the publisher, the writer merely gets nothing or possibly loses the right to publish with bigger publishers.

So, other than the glory, the prize is really just the cash, and the cash is small, the entry fee is high. My advice to poets is to stick to Bridport. It's a low entry fee, much higher prize, it's got a long history, and it's got lots of famous names associated with it.

Nury

Actually, you're right, Poet3. I remember when we were dicussing the mechanics of setting up the Man Asian Literary Prize, at first we wanted to drum up good writers to publish in our magazine, the Asia Literary Review. But then we realized that this was a novel prize, so we should offer to actually publish in full the winning novel.

But we went through the same through process as you did above. Some winners may really like having their book published by a small press in Hong Kong. Others might be able to go for a bigger publisher.

In the event, the inaugural prize went to a guy who had loads of deals with international publishers and it was simply unnecessary for us to publish his book.

On the other hand, poetry is a different ball game entirely. I wouldn't want to pour cold water on anyone's dreams, but you don't get big international auctions for a book of poetry very often.

Getting your book published by a press like HKU Press would actually be a good and useful thing for most poets in Hong Kong. However, I'm not sure it would be hugely valuable to a poet in, say, Venezuela. And even Hong Kong poets may aspire to major global publishers. It's a tricky question and one which would have to be answered on a case-by-case basis.

fardel

In a microwave , frozen bread would reach high temperature in 15 seconds,but would not exceed 70 °C while apple sauce would stay cold for 5 minutes , then reach a temperature in excess of 100°c in 8 minutes.
Cheese or any ingredient containing fat or sugar would warm up in the first 5 minutes, then become really hot in less than 3 minutes with temperatures in excess of 120-140°C
( for reference one can put his finger in a 45° C liquid , but not in a 60° C liquid.)
Nothing is bad like an egg in a microwave. It explodes.
The writers of cooking instructions should be more careful , since the warming time depends of a combination of
- the power of the microwave
- the contents of the food being warmed / burned
- the quantity being warmed up

Unless forced to do it ,no engineers would inform the public of the risks produced by electronic waves :Microwave oven; cell phones, computer screens.

There was an accident this morning when an Asian chocolate bunny became so hot in the presence of a computer screen, that a reader on the other side of the planet , connected on the same website,exploded in laughter, breaking a rib when falling off his chair.
Who is liable?

zÆRo

Just face it, HK poeple are renowned for their scabby kulture, which they disguise as 'kapitalism' and 'fwee market'. It also explains why they sell microwave charcoals marketed as food.

Myumi

funny you should be talking about burning food. the hot new item at seven eleven just now is a thing called Charcoal Cake. It's jet black and looks like it has been burned to a cinder. I think someone should try it and report back.

Angela

Clearly the culprit here is the website. Not blaming the technology but the website should come with a clear warning sign to forewarn unwitting readers of the inherent dangers of reading between the lines whatever is posted here. Signs like - "Caution. Slippery when wet" or "Public Posting. Interpret at your own risk"

Angela

Mr. Fardel, What is the extent of damage? anything irreparable? Needs surgery or long term intensive care? requiring medical services that are not available there? Our tiny island nation here is an emerging medical hub with sophisticated facilities and world class medical professionals, etc.. something that may interest you provided you survive the swim down north atlantic ocean, past the pirates in the gulf of aden, cross over the indian ocean and make friends with the head hunters of Borneo, borrow a sampan and sail to the lil red dot island inhabited by many chocbuns :)

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