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Patrick Lenormand

Dear Nury

What is wrong with assuming that ketchup is the transliteration of Ke Tsap, which means tomato sauce in Cantonese ? and made its way into American English towards the end of the 19th through the mainly Cantonese speaking Chinese diaspora ? or one of its members like Mrs Kwok ? who was a victim of industrial spying by Mr. Heinz ?

PL

fardel

In the gourmet capital of the Caribbean ( it's the small Caribbean island where I am lucky to live), this restaurant is one of the best of all, ( the ordinary restaurants are already top class) and the owner is very proud of her Chef.
An american family ordered the chef's specialty;they asked for ketchup;
she threw them out, and told the story to the newpapers;
No american dear ask for ketchup in the gourmet restaurants any longer.

Nury

Nice story, fardel -- your gourmet chef has good taste!

As for your suggestion, Patrick, that ketchup comes from Cantonese ke-tsup, meaning tomato sauce -- it's a logical theory, and one which I did research.

But the evidence suggests that ketchup had no tomatoes at all in it for the first one or two hundred years of its existence (either in the east or the west).

Furthermore, tomato ketchup is very much a Western product of the past century or so, while the original sauce and the word "ketchup" is an eastern coinage and is much older.

"ke" can be used for tomato in Cantonese, but "ke" is one of the words for fish in Hokkien, and the earliest records of the word show it being used in Hokkien immigrant communities in what is now Malaysia.

If you look in Western magazines from the 1800s, they sometimes have advertisements for ketchup, and it is usually mushroom sauce. So in this case, we give the credit to the Hokkien speakers, not the Cantonese...

Vince A

Along with millions of Filipinos, I grew up on banana catsup. Tomato catsup was too expensive, and those foolhardy enough to splurge on tomato catsup soon discovered it didn't have the right taste.

curious

Banana catsup?!?! ouch. tell me this is a joke please. if not what does it taste like. Are tomatoes more expensive than bananas in the Philippines ?

fardel

Dear Nury
How can we add pictures to our comments;I sure that we could send you pictures of mouth watering dishes without ketchup.

fardel

I just realized that the dinner on your pictures was cardboard.
Was it an introduction to English cuisine?

Yoke

I'm from Malaysia and I didn't even know this story! I always thought the similarities in the word "ketchup" and the Cantonese "ke-tsup" was just pure coincidence (and it probably is, judging from the story).

crissie chavez

Hahaha, I remember my friend saying it's "catsup" when it's made of banana & "ketchup" when it's made of tomato. Asia is rich in spices. Understatement! Won't be surprised if all of the wild condiments we have trace their history from this continent.

And yeah, my friend from Costa Rica once told me they didn't have gravy in their KFC's. Ouuf : /

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